Return to Elite Dangerous (T.16000M HOTAS Controls)

I can't settle on a single game these days.  The urge to return to Elite Dangerous is growing on me now.  Oolite was fun, but the more I played, the more Elite Dangerous kept coming to mind.  

Got a lot of projects going on, including trying to save as much as possible from my hard drives, which are all trying to fail at the same time.

Whenever it's time to replace my computer, I always take the hard drives out.  For security, because I then sell the old computer; but also for storage space moving forward.  At least one of these drives is from 3 or 4 computers ago, maybe 2010 or 2011.  The most-used one has 18,000 hours of use logged.

While that's worked well overall, it's coming back to bite me now.  There are 5 drives on the newest computer, and the only one that's still working reliably is the small 2T internal C: drive.

While trying to rescue data from dying hard drives, I ran across my old Elite Dangerous control guide for the Thrustmaster T.16000M throttle and stick.  Also found the bindings, and the Voice Attack files.

This control guide combines inputs from both.  It also has controls for playing music, and activating a small graphic via external software while in-game.  I quit playing in 2021, and this is a different computer, so it might not be worthwhile trying to recreate the software and playlist setup.  I'll have to play with it to decide if it's worth the effort.

Anyway, long way around the corral, just to say... here's the controls graphic.  This is my setup, and if worst comes to worst, I can re-create the bindings and the Voice Attack profile, as long as I don't lose this graphic to a hard drive crash.

Oolite (Tribute to the Original Elite from 1984)

 I know, I don't stick with a single game any more, and rarely ever get deeply involved with any games.

Too many to play, not enough time to play, and Covid brain fog for the last three years has really put a crimp in my plans.

That's not going to change any time soon, but today, I wanted to post a couple of jpg images that will help me learn another game.  One that I might stick with for a while, if I can get the hang of it.  Better odds than usual, since this based on a game from the 1980's that I was addicted to for many years... Elite.  The original Elite, though I've played Elite Dangerous in the past as well.

This one's called Oolite, and it's a dedicated tribute to the glory of the original Elite.  I'm just beginning to set  the joystick controls up, and start learning the commands.  These are a map of my Thrustmaster T16000M stick and throttle, using the games built-in controller screen.

In a pinch, I can use Voice Attack for a far more sophisticated layout, but this seems to cover the main "stick" commands I want.  So attached here is my layout, plus the first page of the guide that comes with the game (which is totally free, by the way).  Between these two, I should have a quick reference to anything I may need.

Time to Head Back Into Space

     I abandoned this blog (and X4) in January 2023.  My memory isn't what it used to be, due to aging and to Covid.  Back in the first wave of Covid, it hit our family hard.  Those of us still here still have the side effects, over two years later.  Not all of us are still here.  Monique and I both still feel the brain fog, and noticed an extreme loss of memory and concentration.  In my case, I've always loved to read, but after Covid, reading is a struggle.  It used to be instant immersion.  Picking up a book brought me to a new world.  I've re-learned how to read, but it's a matter of paying close attention, and using mental tricks to "check my work."  Otherwise, words don't look the same and I often read what I expect to read, rather than the words that are actually there.  I still read a lot because I'm stubborn, but also because I hope with enough practice, it will become natural again.

    It's made playing complex games difficult.  The first month I felt well enough to go back to Guild Wars 2, I couldn't even watch the screen without getting vertigo.  I also went, within a single month, from being pretty good at Elite: Dangerous, to being really bad.  I look at all the controls that used to be autonomic, and they look completely unfamiliar.  Beyond the most basic controls of steering and moving the ship, the rest is gone.  I might re-learn some of it over an hour or two of practice, and the next day, it's all gone again. Practice and repetition, building and maintaining habits, it requires active effort to hold onto things any more.  It's one reason I love eBay - my focus is on an extremely repeatable product, and I've done it enough to have a reliable routine.  Plus copious notes, reminders, and templates.  Each listing is similar enough I don't have the 'slow-down' of trying to remember what I need to do, or how it works.  I do some more unique items each day also, which gives me a comparison between the very repeatable listings, versus thinking through what I need to do for the individual types of items.  It's very obvious the ones that require individual attention are much more difficult than they should be.

    I thought X-4 might be different from Elite, since it can be played solo, and it can be paused while I stop to look up how to do things along the way.  But it turned out, different doesn't mean simple.  Maybe if I had more time... and that brings me to the point of this post.  I "retired" a couple of weeks ago.  Doesn't mean I stopped working for a living, just that I took social security, which pays about 2/3 of our bills, and for the rest of our income, we sell on eBay.  In itself, eBay is a full-time job.  Maybe over time we'll get more stable, but for now, we really need eBay.  

    It occurred to me yesterday, this is the perfect time to look into X4 again.  Not just because of my situation, but because yesterday, August 28, X4:Foundations Update 6.20 was released.  Per Egosoft, they're already planning and working on 7.0, but it's a long-term project.  What better time to start playing again?  No need to worry about things being changed just as I'm learning how to do them.  New guides should be coming out, which means I can filter out all the old guides by date and just focus on the new ones.

    All in all, I'm looking forward to trying again.  Wish me luck.  :^)

Off Topic - Skyrim Leveler's Tower Floor Map

 This blog is pretty much abandoned for lack of time; X4 will have to wait until I have a lot of spare time to really learn it.

I do still play Skyrim, but don't bother to blog about it.  Nice thing about Skyrim is I can play anytime there's a bit of time available, and am comfortably familiar with how to play it.
I needed a public link to share this flowchart map of the Leveler's Tower mod floor plan, and this leftover blog was convenient.

There's a higher quality pdf, but blogger doesn't like pdf.  The jpg below works, and if you print it on an 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper, if you have decent eyesight it's big enough to read while playing.

X4 and Voice Attack - Targeting Object in Front

  Still a newbie.  Very slow progress, but I've finally started playing, and looking for crystals.  When I found the first one, I couldn't target it with a Hotas.  Would have thought "Target Object" would target the closest object in the center of the screen (under the targeting dot).  Instead, it keeps targeting random ships that aren't even ON the screen!!

  I did what I always do, and started Googling.  Found "T", that didn't help.  I can manually click the crystals with the mouse, but that kind of spoils the whole "stick and throttle" thing.  Found a forum conversation on Egosoft - a comment by Belgaroth:

I have a problem with targeting something directly ahead of me. If I'm flying towards a station and press my target button on my joystick, it will target anything and everything except the station. I haven't figured out why it does that. So, I created a command in Voice Attack that moves the mouse to the center of the screen and left-clicks to target what's dead ahead of me. So, instead of targeting a transport ship, civilian ship or even an asteroid that's on the other side of the station, it targets the station itself. I'll get that sorted out eventually, but the solution I came up with works pretty well.

  First thought... this confirms that Voice Attack will work in X4:Foundations.  Great news.  I've only ever used it in Elite Dangerous.  It seemed likely, but I haven't tested it, since X4 has pretty good Hotas support without the need for Voice Attack.  It can't use modifiers, but the flight controls are far simpler than E:D was, so I haven't really needed more versatility.  At least this confirms that it does work, if the time comes.

  Next thought... this isn't a perfect solution, but it's an easy one.  I'm just not sure it's worth running VA to play X4 for only one command.  Kind of overkill.  At the moment, I'm trying to decide if switching to mouse for precision targeting is a more viable option.  It's kind of a toss-up, haven't decided yet.

At least now, I KNOW there's an option.  Logged it here with the link and the quote in case I can't find it later and forget the option.  Now it's in the (data) bank.

X4 Foundations Combat Training and Hotas Inconsistencies

 I'm not sure if anybody else has had this happen, searched on Google but maybe there's a search term I'm not thinking of.  Anyway, after getting the Hotas - Thrustmaster T.16000M - set up with a good layout, it's been inconsistent with keeping the settings upon reloading the game.

For example, I set the ministick to control the X/Y strafing, and it works fine.  Saved it to the first slot.  Coming back to the game the next day, the ministick sometimes works fine, and sometimes loses the setting.  It works fine mechanically, but I have to go back into the control menu and re-set that button.

It's not always the ministick, that was just an example.  At first I thought it was loading in the original default layout each time, but discovered some of my settings were still there, just not all.  
Then I thought maybe it's because I haven't actually played the game, just been doing the tutorials.  Maybe my custom settings won't store correctly because I keep choosing "New Game", then one of the tutorials?

Short side explanation - I'm over 60, and had Covid a little over a year ago (August 2021).  Covid left me with a seemingly permanent mental fog.  Staying focused, comprehension, memory, took a huge hit and are only partially recovered at this point.  So, it takes a lot more effort to learn, and rather than jump off the high-dive right into X4, I'm running through the tutorials over and over trying to burn the controls into long-term memory.  

Usually I can only handle the concentration for a bit at a time.  Today, I made it entirely through the combat tutorial for the first time.  Have already completed the flight tutorial multiple times.  Will start the advanced tutorial now.  After that, I'll start actually playing the game.  

Back to the T.16000; while the intermittent loadout issue isn't a game-killer, it's been worrisome for the long-term game play.  Having to stop in game to re-set a missing button command messes with immersion.  Last night I saved the loadout to a second slot, hoping it can act as a backup.  Something to reload with, when the random effect strikes.  This morning, on loading up the game, everything was working exactly correctly.  Time will tell, but now I'm thinking something about slot 1 isn't saving correctly.  Saving the loadout to a new slot might have been the fix.  

I hope so, because so far that's been my only complaint about the game.  Having come from Elite Dangerous, I'm used to the general idea of space-flight, with 6 degrees of freedom.  Had to quit Elite after the Covid brain-fog, couldn't keep track of all the commands any more.  Chose X4 because the overall space-flight command set looks simpler, yet the whole galaxy/empire building aspect will satisfy my desire for complexity, while giving me time to think, plan, make decisions... and time to Google anything I can't remember on the spot.

With X4 Foundations, I can still have fun in space.  :^)

X4 Foundations HOTAS Layout for Thrustmaster T.16000M Hotus X4

 I still haven't had time to try this set-up (hope to tonight), but this is my current layout.  It's based almost entirely on this post by u/boosthungry: Thrustmaster T.16000M HOTUS X4 Button Layout

There are a couple of changes, but nothing major.  This layout made sense, based on my experience with Elite:Dangerous, and the fact that I could only find 2 posted online (The other one is by Captain Collins).  Both were very nice - but this one is a better fit for me.  It may need some tweaking, won't know until actually playing the game.  The default profile in-game already had pretty good flight controls for the stick, no need to re-do that part.

This is much simpler than the setup I used in Elite (see bottom image).  The comparison between the X4 layout, and the Elite Dangerous layout, shows exactly why I'm hoping to become good at X4, now that I can no longer remember all the Elite commands.  That layout uses the base controls, plus 2 different modifier keys, and that STILL didn't cover everything, especially when "space legs" came out.
Aside from that, some of those commands performed multiple actions, like my favorite settings for power distribution.  One command even brought up a graphic from another program as an overlay, to remind me when I had something toggled on or off.

All of those commands were tied to the Hotas by Voice Attack.  It wasn't neat and orderly, but got the job done.  It also had some voice activated commands, until my wife thought it was funny to say random things as she walked behind me, and see what effect it had on the ship.  After slamming full speed into the back wall of the space station, I removed the voice commands.

Those days are gone, Covid crippled my memory and slowed my comprehension speed.  I'm doing better, but not sure if it's ever going to be as good as pre-Covid. So... X4.  The things that require memory and reaction are, hopefully, within my ability.  The rest looks wonderfully complex and fun, but something I can figure out at leisure while playing.  That's why there's a "Pause" button programmed.

Considering the way Elite was heading last time I played, maybe it's for the best that I've switched to X4.

X4:Foundations Profile

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